Talking with Two Coats Conversations

two coats

Adding this for posterity. A week ago I had a terrific conversation with Sharon Butler whose interview embraced many topics both bittersweet and laugh inducing.

Two Coats Conversations

Here is the archived link for the podcast and below are the discussion topics as seen on the Two Coats Conversations site:


Recorded on June 1, 2022 / Artist Carolyn Zick has published the outstanding art blog Dangerous Chunky since 2001 from New York, then Seattle, and now New London, Connecticut. Find out what she’s up to — from writing poetry, drawing, and making books to dealing with a serious cancer diagnosis. Hosted by Sharon Butler.



Carolyn Zick’s website 

Dangerous Chunky 

Carolyn’s “Poets vs. Painters” List

Chapbook Project

Seattle people and organizations: Sharon ArnoldEva LakeRobert Yoder, Art Dish

DIY organization to bring attention to art blogs: Art Bloggers @

Joanne Mattera’s blog

New York Academy of Art

Kimberly Brooks, The New Oil Painting 

The Crit Lab

“Intimacies,” the exhibition we discussed that features work by Crit Lab members, including Carolyn Zick.

Jonathan Silver at Victoria Munroe Fine Art

Two Coats of Paint website

Sharon Butler’s website

A huge and mighty thanks to Sharon for her generosity, amazing research skills and for being an all around wonderful person to speak to.


Poets Vs. Painters

Poets Vs. Painters

Here is the list of books on my Poets Vs. Painters wall that I discussed today with Sharon Butler on her Two Coats Conversation podcast.


Painters Vs Poets (the painters are winning here)

Lisa Yuskavage – catalogue Christopher Grimes Gallery, 1996
Amy Sillman – Visiting Artist, zine, undated, probably 2005
Susan Rothenberg – Paintings 1998 – 2002 catalogue, Sperone Westwater, 2002
Amy Sillman – Faux Pas, Selected Writings and Drawings, 2020
Judy Glantzman – Dressing for the Carnival, catalogue Sept 9-Oct 2017, Betty Cunningham Gallery
Judy Glantzman – 1979- TODAY, catalogue Nov 29, 2018-Jan 13 2019, Betty Cunningham Gallery
Cecily Brown – “Where, When, How Often and with Whom”, 2019
Gerhard Richter – The Daily Practice of Painting, 1995
Inside the Painter’s Studio – Joe Fig (includes his dioramas of the studios), 2009
Chantal Joffe – catalogue from ‘Night Self-Portraits,’ Cheim & Reid, 2015
Art London: A Guide to Places, Events and Artists – Hettie Judah, 2019
Ishbel Myerscough – catalogue from ‘Life’, Flowers Gallery, 2011

*runners up:
Philip Guston, Mamma Andersson, Deborah Brown, Elizabeth Murray, Cy Twombly, Richard Diebenkorn, David Park, Pierre Bonnard, Andrea Zittel, Alice Neel, Lee Krasner, Willem de Kooning, Jasper Johns, Kiki Smith, Margaret Kilgallen, Laura Splan

Adélia Prado – The Alphabet in the Park: Selected Poems (Translation by Ellen Watson), 1990
IIlya Kaminsky – it’s the soul that’s erotic, an essay on Adélia Prado, 2017
Adélia Prado – Ex-Voto – Poems by Adélia Prado – (Translation by Ellen Watson), 2013
Lunch Poems – Frank O’Hara, (City Lights), 1964
Antonio Machado – Times Alone (Translation by Robert Bly), 1983
In Memory of My Feelings: Frank Ohara and American Art – catalogue of exhibition at the Museum of Contemporary Art, Los Angeles, July 11-November 14, 1999, 1999
Musa McKim – Alone With The Moon, Selected Writings,(with drawings by Musa McKim & Philip Guston), 1994
Stanley Kunitz – The Wild Braid with Genine Lentine, A Poet Reflects on a Century in the Garden, 2005
Frank O’Hara – The Selected Poems of Frank O’Hara – Edited by Donald Allen, 1974
W.S. Merwin – Garden Time, 2016
W.S. Merwin – The Essential W.S. Merwin – (Edited by Michael Wiegers), 2017
Matthea Harvey – Modern Life, 2007
Matthea Harvey – Pity the Bathtub Its Forced Embrace of the Human Form, 2002
Matthea Harvey – Sad Little Breathing Machine: Poems, 2004
Cooper Hewitt Museum – Kitsch to Corbusier, Wallpapers From the 1950s catalogue, 1995
(as I consider wallpaper eye poetry)
William Carlos Williams – Pictures from Brueghel and Other Poems. 1967
Maged Zaher – Thank You for the Window Office, 2012
Howard W. Robertson – Ode to certain interstates and Other Poems, 2003
Lisa Robertson – Occasional Work and Seven Walks from the Office for Soft Architecture,
Cooper- Hewitt Museum – Rooms with a View: Landscape & Wallpaper catalogue, 2001
The KGB Bar – The KGB Bar Reader, edited by Ken Foster, 1998
The KGB Bar – Book of Poems, edited by David Lehman & Star Black, 2000
Rainer Maria Rilke – The Inner Sky, translated by Damion Searls, 2010

*runners up:
Elise Asher, Philip Larkin, Molly Peacock, Tracy K. Smith, Nayyirah Waheed, Ann Lauterbach, Martha Hollander, Raymond Carver, Kevin Pilkington

***By no means an exhaustive list, but what I considered favorites the day the walls were assembled.
***Many, many other art books exist in the space that are not included.
***I do not by any means consider myself an authority on poetry, more of a “I like this one just because“, mostly writing that seems accessible.